A matter of respect
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A matter of respect

This, which I have quoted from Ghstkitty'26's blogg is creating a few comments and provoking some disussion, so I felt it should be posted as a forum topic, where it's more likely to be seen!

"Online etiquette! Now I know as well as the next Sub that Humiliation is a HUGE part of the BDSM scene. This does not give you the right to be rude online to other people's subs. I do realize that some Subs online call themselves "fat","cows","pigs", ect.... this (IMO)is perfectly fine if the Sub is okay with it. But just because "your" Slave or "you" like to be called those names does not mean that everyone else does too. I have recently had people comment on my photos calling me "fat". I do not like this. It is rude. My Master does not call me fat..He is the only one that can give me a name. I am His slave, He names me and tells me what I am. Fat is not one of the words he uses to describe me. Nor do we advertise me as "fat", "cow" or "pig" online. My point is... do some research before you give a comment on someone. If they dont call their slave "fat", "cow", "pig", ect... you should not either. This is just etiquette. Comment onto others as you would like to have comments sent to you. Treat all subs with the same respect you treat yours with. Although.. udders to compare my tits to is perfectly fine with me. That is not an issue. Master has called them udders before, so I guess other Doms can too. I am getting off my soap box now.. and back on my knees. GK26"

 

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Re: A matter of respect

TrainU2Serve wrote:

Hello PeJay!

First - thanks for moving this discussion to a forum.  You are right about not clogging up Ghstkitty's post.  Thanks.

I see that you did not disagree with my original point - that I treat a slave with respect out of respect for her master, not necessarily for her.  The logical end to that is that I would also not treat an unowned slave with disrespect because it is assumed that she will be owned at some point.  It is the same reason I don't go to a grocery store and damage the food products there.  I may not own them, but somebody will and they shouldn't have to put up with something that I did to reduce the value of the product.

Do you agree?

Yes that, to a degree is also what I was intending to imply, by what I said. After all, if a friend brought round his new car, for instance, to show it off, would you immediately jump in it without asking and drive it at 100mph and mess with it treating it badly?  Of course you wouldn't, so why think you can do that with someone's slave/sub, surely exactly the same rules apply! But to re-itterate partly what I said, I see it as far more than just merely rude, it is disrespectful and insulting! Everyone on this site deserves respect, regardless of their perceived status and if you are talking about or to a slave, if she's not YOUR slave, then show her the respect you would show anyone you have just met in the street!

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Courtesy...the Doms that i have known and currently associate...well their ethics rival those of the most inimitable attorneys and physcians...they are polite, friendly and open....they never have touched or made rude comments to myself or other Dom's property

Poor quality Doms, on the other hand, have an attitude.....often times more than not compensating for something within themselves that they lack...they are predatory and attempt to demean within the guise of being a Dom

Many of the best Doms i have known or had the pleasure of meeting do not appear Dominant when i have met them in the "vanilla world"...they are often the most friendliest and ethcial men i have met...and i have no perturbation in saying Sir PeJay (who i have had many a dialouge with) meets, no exceeds in the realm of being one of the most courteous, ethical Doms i have had the pleasure of chatting with on this website

Regrettably, there are Doms out there in the community who are notorious punsters...my advice...consider the source and move on...

respectfully,

smackdat

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Re: A matter of respect

Hello PeJay!

First - thanks for moving this discussion to a forum.  You are right about not clogging up Ghstkitty's post.  Thanks.

Second - I think the best way to sum up what I was trying to say is this - you said that a slave gives up everything for her master, but many masters are not willing to give up everything for them.  My point is that I give up everything for my slave and I just listed a few things (time, house, creativity, etc...) as an example and not a comprehensive list.  I am sure you may know masters who are not willing to give 100% for their slaves, but I can tell you about many subs I have known who were not willing to give 100% no matter what they said in their online profile.

I think, and I bet you would agree with me, that the best D/s relationship is not a 50/50 deal between master and slave, but rather it is best when it is a 100/100 partnership where the slave gives all for her master and he gives all for his slave.  I willingly give 100% attention to my slave and I guess it just bothered my a bit when I thought you were saying that a slave gives everything, but a master does not.  Looking back now, I may have read more into your statement than you originally meant.

Does this make things clearer?!

I see that you did not disagree with my original point - that I treat a slave with respect out of respect for her master, not necessarily for her.  The logical end to that is that I would also not treat an unowned slave with disrespect because it is assumed that she will be owned at some point.  It is the same reason I don't go to a grocery store and damage the food products there.  I may not own them, but somebody will and they shouldn't have to put up with something that I did to reduce the value of the product.

Do you agree?

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xxxbell wrote:

I could not agree more !

And yes, it definetly deserve a post for itself Wink Its a much needed lesson, as some people tend to think that anything goes online. 

I personaly find it really offending when total strangers online assume that they have authority to degrade and command me. I prefer to manage that privilege until im owned!

And still - if you are degrading another persons slave in that way, i see it as a lack of respect for both the slave and especialy the owner. 

I hope this post will get its deserved attention.  

I agree, since i do not have an owner, i deserve as much respect as any person in this board and if i had an owner i would have as well, and yes he may wanted to humiliate but that would be clearly stated... otherwise i belive that insulting a slave or sub its just rude...

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Re: A matter of respect

I have reposted my and other comments herte, so people can see what's been said and continue in here!

Quoting myself....Just to throw in my two penny worth, I agree entirely with what's said above but see it as far more than just merely rude, it is disrespectful and insulting! Everyone on this site deserves respet, regardless of their perceived status and if you are talking about a slave, if she's not YOUR slave, then show her the respect you would show anyone you have just met in the street!

Quoting TrainU2Serve......

PeJay wrote:

...To me any slave or sub deserves at least equal, if not more respect, than any Dom/Master or so called and self styled either, What any true sub or slave is doing for or because of her Master, is deserving of the greatest respect, she is giving up everything for another, how many "Masters" are prepared to do that?

 

While I totally agree that calling someone's slave a derogatory term without permission or precedent is rude, I don't necessarily agree with PeJay's logic and reasoning.  I am respectful of other slaves out of respect for THEIR MASTERS - not the slaves themselves.  I have a lovely young piece of meat that I am currently training to be a suitable piece of property (the 5th slave I have trained - BTW).  We have rules and guidelines for our relationship that we have both agreed to (and I am sure almost everyone on this site has probably done this as well so I won't elaborate too much and bore you all) but keeping up my end of the deal is as much "respect" as she is shown.  The only respect she is shown from other masters is either out of respect for me or because I have requested it for her.

For example, let's suppose that I had the pleasure of meeting Ghstkitty26 in person.  Just because she is a willing submissive and I am a Dom does NOT, in my opinion, give me any rights to her body.  I wouldn't lay a hand on her (not even to shake hands in a greeting) without first being given permission from her owner.  In the same regard, nobody gets to touch my property/slave unless I give consent.  I don't think anyone would argue that point.

What I am trying to say is that the reason I wouldn't touch another's slave is the same reason I would not insult that same slave either - out of respect for the MASTER that owns her.  I personally think Mr. Mick is doing a wonderful job training Ghstkitty26 and I appreciate his willingness to show her off here on SF.  It is out of respect for him that I treat her with respect.

As for the comment, "...she is giving up everything for another, how many "Masters" are prepared to do that?" - well, perhaps that is something I should address later since this post is long enough already, but since I am the one who is assuming all the risk in my relationship with my slave and I am the one that is giving  up my time, energy, money, home, creativity, etc... to train my slaves to learn more about BDSM, themselves, and the future doms they will serve, I would have to say that I have given up more than most slaves I have known.  Especially, the slaves who immediately start the relationship by bitching about their "limits". LOL! If they truly want to be trained as a slave, they need to give up these feelings of entitlement and "respect" and understand that they will be "honored" when they have learned enough to act like a proper slave whose actions, abilities, and knowledge result in her Master being respected and honored for his training of her.

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TrainU2Serve wrote:

As for the comment, "...she is giving up everything for another, how many "Masters" are prepared to do that?" - well, perhaps that is something I should address later since this post is long enough already, but since I am the one who is assuming all the risk in my relationship with my slave and I am the one that is giving  up my time, energy, money, home, creativity, etc... to train my slaves to learn more about BDSM, themselves, and the future doms they will serve, I would have to say that I have given up more than most slaves I have known.  Especially, the slaves who immediately start the relationship by bitching about their "limits". LOL! If they truly want to be trained as a slave, they need to give up these feelings of entitlement and "respect" and understand that they will be "honored" when they have learned enough to act like a proper slave whose actions, abilities, and knowledge result in her Master being respected and honored for his training of her.

That is precisely the point I am making, she's not just giving up all things material but her whole self, as you put it, "they need to give up these feelings of entitlement and "respect" and understand that they will be "honored" when they have learned enough to act like a proper slave whose actions, abilities, and knowledge result in her Master being respected and honored for his training of her." is that not everything, rather than just time, energy,money, home, creativity, etc?

As a by the way, I have p[osted this in the forum too, as I feel this is a subject that will spark a great deal of discussion and feel it would be better there, rather than "clogging up" kitty's blog. I have also linked this in the forum for reference to the whole blog

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Re: A matter of respect

I could not agree more !

And yes, it definetly deserve a post for itself Wink Its a much needed lesson, as some people tend to think that anything goes online. 

I personaly find it really offending when total strangers online assume that they have authority to degrade and command me. I prefer to manage that privilege until im owned!

And still - if you are degrading another persons slave in that way, i see it as a lack of respect for both the slave and especialy the owner. 

I hope this post will get its deserved attention.  

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