sub44's limits are inherent in her choice of her master.  She says she has no limits because she believes she can handle anything her master might want, including those of the men he shares her with.

I f today her master said he was tired of her and decided it was time to end her life, she would, i think, discover her limit. 

  my "limits" are up to my master,always

       d

Isn't that what being Master and slave is? The Master devotes his life to the wellbeing, growth and care of his slave while the slave submitts to him giving herself to him completely in body mind and soul? Regaurdless of any and all limits that either one might have?

That is only valid for those having a M/s relationship where wellbeing, growth and care actually do have a place. Taking care of continued usefulness of a slave is not equal to the above mindset. It really depends on perception of slavery, the relationship between M & s and possible agreements betweem them.

heh sadly "open to anything" would garner more chainsaw and bankrobbing comments :)

 

A strange yet predictible change in the way we view each other and take words we read as something other then what normally was intended causes this and many other discussions trying to determine the "rules and regulations" within the Master/slave dynamic and dysecting each word and phrase to give it its own special meaning and purpose and applying it to each individual.

 

Not wanting to change the subject (will do this elsewhere), but really the tag of no limits has the meaning (         )  and depending on the individual, making that tag acceptable for that person and the people reading it and the people who MAY read it and possibly the people who, in the future that do not have the description of the word, read it. At some point, an understanding of a tag, catch phrase or word has to have some consistancy.

I think rather than saying no limits they should put "open to anything" or "open to most things".

 

In my view..."no limits" is not about activities or acts.  It is about attitude, true humble submission and a complete giving up the self for another. 

Isn't that what being Master and slave is? The Master devotes his life to the wellbeing, growth and care of his slave while the slave submitts to him giving herself to him completely in body mind and soul? Regaurdless of any and all limits that either one might have?

For some reason I find it hard to believe that a slave is willing to have (for instance) it's limbs torn off in order to become absolutely helpless. Nor do I believe that a slave is willing to use or be used by under age characters, or have it's skin peeled off, or ..... well .. you know what I mean.

On the other hand I do search for a slave claiming to have no limits. Fun thing is that I do tell them what My limits are which makes their claim to be a no limit slave a little less easy to believe. After all, if their limits coincide with mine, there's no reason in stating those limits, is there?

But what if My limits change? I'd say that the slave is the victim here. I do state this beforehand so there can be no misunderstanding afterwards.

Honestly I think the whole idea of "no limits" is a myth.

I can see people with few limits or unknown limits but not "no limits". Even the people who use the term no limits still have them, the standard limits being no death, disablement, or illegal activities (prostitution and public indecency excluded). I've never even HEARD of anyone real who's only limits were the basics. 

I'm a firm believer that anyone who says they have no limits is either fake, or just hasn't had that much experience, and that goes for Dominants and submissives. 

Dominants have their limits I think, they just don't state them the way submissives do because they don't have to. If a Dominant doesn't want to do something is the submissive going to force them? In most cases I think the Dominants limits are set more by finding someone who doesn't exceed their own, or when your getting to know each other in the beginning. At least that's been my experience. 

I know some people will try and disagree saying that No Limits isn't BS and that its just rare. To that I'd like to say this:

When you find that supposedly rare individual who has no limits I recommend you ask them to invite their family and close respected friends to church or some other formal public occasion. Then send them there dressed as much like a hooker or general skank as possible, adding whatever acutramon you like such as bodily fluids, toys, writing etcetera. Then have them loudly, possibly while intoxicated,  regail them with stories of how he/she got gang banged recently and their plans to become a hooker/stripper/ or other supposedly demeaning profession. 

If they do that willingly I recommend next asking them to rob a bank and see if they find their limit there.

What I'm trying to say is simply this No Limits is a lie a lie out of laziness, fakes for whom all fantasy is fair game because its just fantasy or fraud, and lazy newbies who find the lifestyle intriguing and enticing but who don't care enough to do any real looking or to make any decisions about what they are and aren't willing to do. Even Dominants have limits, we just don't get asked about them as much.

Ktulu

In my view..."no limits" is not about activities or acts.  It is about attitude, true humble submission and a complete giving up the self for another.Ktulu

 

I have to agree here with the mentality of no limits vs. the actual act within the life. I as well have made the joke about chainsaws and so on when discussing "no limits" to someone, but in the end, it is a label like so many and more often then not, used by the inexperienced as a catch phrase.

 

A few times when confronted with the no limit slave I can quickly work through what it is they are seeking, needing and wanting and we can go from there. I really do not give a great deal of power to the phrase "no limits" anymore then I would "ready to trust you with my life" after the first e-mail exchange.

 

A girl or boy with the mentality that they do not choose their limits is off to a good start and it is up to us as Men to define those limits within our home and make them work on a daily basis. As for a Master having "no limits"  run...fast... there is no such thing unless the FBI has not caught him yet,.

 

D

Well I was reading this and I was thinking when a girl says no limits man she must really be able to close her eyes and bite down really hard with out flinching and able to handle all that pain and stinging sensation hmmmmm I don't think so.........Its kind of hard to believe if you asked me.......my "guy" hit me so many times in the same spot and eventually i was trying to turn away and he kept going and it started hurting so bad So when i see no limits i really start thinking yaaaa righhht....

In my view..."no limits" is not about activities or acts.  It is about attitude, true humble submission and a complete giving up the self for another. 

 It should be inconceivable within a healthy, trust filled, and unified relationship serving the same purpose, to make, force or even suggest to a slave that they do something that falls into the catagory of violating their own basic life rights, or those of another. 

A slave has the right to be healthy, functional and in tact.  A slave has the right to remain mentally sane.  No human has the right to violate another equal humans rights...this is common law and common sense.  In the reality of human living...there are very few true laws that must be followed....meaning that in order for a crime to take place there has to be an injured party. 

When considering this, one intrinsically knows what those laws are and should be.  It does not need to be written down or otherwise posted.  WE as humans KNOW. 

Therefore when the issue of limits comes up, it should not be about an act...but about the basic principle of others rights.   As long as you do not violate another free (and I dont mean free in the sense of BDSM, rather free as in soverign human on the earth), and equal humans rights, particularly against their will....the sky should be the limit. 

My two and a half sense.

Ktulu